milla
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Post by milla on Dec 18, 2007 16:22:06 GMT -5
Yeah. I think the difference is that they wouldn't have dared. They were probably taught not to. That's how the boys in my schools used to be. They had some respect for themselves and the girls around them. It's not like there weren't some occasional comments, but they weren't supported by the group and guys who didn't act better were shunned by other guys as well. This wasn't all that long ago. It seems things have changed a lot in the last ten years.
I just don't think that men have any respect for themselves these days or they'd be able to offer some to the women in their lives. I think that's an outgrowth of the increasing marginalization of men as workers and husbands. There seems to be an ever-increasing male slacker trend. It's reflected in media with the Jackass movies, the recent "knocked up", etc. It's cool these days to be a professional frat boy.
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Post by realthing on Dec 18, 2007 19:07:11 GMT -5
i think there certainly should be internet regulation on it - i don't buy this you can't censor the internet (expletive) - well google did it to get into china didn't they? even if there was a single search engine and isp took up the stance - it would then give us an option as mothers/wives and custodians of our homes to opt for that. must admit i'm not sure of all the technological issues involved but i do know this much - there is no problem that cannot have a potential solution(s). i know with regards to kids exposure to pornography i was thinking before that maybe one avenue would be to include it within the whole sex education thing - in uk just now there is a big move towards tackling sex ed more effectively resulting from all the teenage pregnancies - maybe offering a climate more conducive to uptake the issue. i think in response to the post i made earlier i will at least email all the schools in the region to raise my concerns. surely they are aware of it and if so they must be doing something to tackle it ? i remember thinking earlier in the year when madeleine mccann went missing that it would be left to the parents to campaign (like others in their situation) with regards to the whole pedophile issue. i suppose this is the same - it will ultimately be left to those who are effected most by the p industry to campaign for change - thing is the men are too busy porning off to uptake their responsibility so likely the burden will be left to the women (yet again). i seen a tv program on pa's last night (the first one i have seen in uk) . at one point they were discussing the case of a sex motivated murderer here who had acted out on his asphyxiation fantasies that had been fueled with that kind of p. they concluded by pointing out that these were the extreme cases and in actual fact the most widespread damage of p addiction is that caused to families and the devastating effects it has on them. i think though if you take that thought one step further you could actually say that the p addicts are at the extreme end of p use but it is actually p use more generally that has the most widespread and devastating effects - i.e. the effects it has on society as a whole - namely the effects it has on men's perceptions of women and women's perceptions of themselves e.g., it must be a major contributor to the whole explosion in plastic surgery don't you think? i certainly have been aiming to avoid the whole cosmetic surgery route - i reckoned as a mother of 3 daughters that i have a responsibility to show my kids an example of what a woman's real body is like and showing them through the years how to accept growing old gracefully. (then my marriage breaks up over p and all of a sudden i'm totally contemplating a boob job - anyway that's a very personal example and going off a bit. i suppose for any sort of change to happen people do need to start taking responsibility and pushing for change. Anybody know what groups are out there already campaigning for change?
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Post by completelydone on Dec 18, 2007 23:22:23 GMT -5
www.moralityinmedia.org is the only one I know of. Surely there are more? Does anyone else know of any others. Morality in media helps show us as individuals how to stand against it though. It really will have to come down to individuals who work separately, and/or as a team, a group, activists to make a difference. We can't just leave it up to certain organizations because obscenity crimes are up to the people to decide what is obscene in their community and make sure that law enforcement does their job enforcing what the people in a community want. Isn't there a site called obscenity crimes too?
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Post by realthing on Dec 19, 2007 18:00:02 GMT -5
thanks for that completelydone - they have a link also to the other one you mention www.obscenitycrimes.org/do you think there is any chance of getting a board here set up to share resources on empowerment? i see there has been threads before but a thread is not really adequate - a board would allow much better organization. i'm sure it would be really useful to people here.
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Post by completelydone on Dec 19, 2007 18:10:34 GMT -5
thanks for that completelydone - they have a link also to the other one you mention www.obscenitycrimes.org/do you think there is any chance of getting a board here set up to share resources on empowerment? i see there has been threads before but a thread is not really adequate - a board would allow much better organization. i'm sure it would be really useful to people here. You would have to ask Wes about that. Or you could start your own proboard, or someone else here can, or I will if you want. Then we could link it in our signatures from here, or maybe Wes would put a sticky in one or more of the forums with a link to such a board for activism against porn. Take care, CD In fact, I already have a board that might work well for that. Let me consider that and get back to you. It would fit in there pretty well actually.
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Post by realthing on Dec 20, 2007 21:31:16 GMT -5
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Post by completelydone on Dec 30, 2007 14:56:05 GMT -5
Oh, thanks.
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