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Post by amaninfull on Nov 20, 2007 17:07:05 GMT -5
CD knows the score. People are people. We're marinated in a cultural stew that can affect our beliefs about just about anything, not least of all gender (and, I'll just add, race), but in light of the human predicament - this body, this earth, this time on it - we are 99% the same. Anybody that discounts half the population is going to find a pretty rough road when things get hard.
AMIF
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Post by completelydone on Nov 27, 2007 22:52:42 GMT -5
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Post by cindyandben on Nov 28, 2007 11:09:57 GMT -5
Pornography does not have to be visual - books and other printed material are very powerful stimuli, and I suggest that they have historically been more acceptable and more accessible to women (see Cosmopolitan Magazine in the check-out aisle of the grocery store!! Right where kids can read the story titles and ask about them!!!)
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Post by completelydone on Nov 29, 2007 20:27:35 GMT -5
Pornography does not have to be visual - books and other printed material are very powerful stimuli, and I suggest that they have historically been more acceptable and more accessible to women (see Cosmopolitan Magazine in the check-out aisle of the grocery store!! Right where kids can read the story titles and ask about them!!!) No, it doesn't have to be visual, but I am speaking about the visual porn with women. But besides that stimuli they read romance novels which are just romanticized porn. They go to chat rooms and talk about sex. Women are much more likely to act out what they view, read, and write then men. They even have porn movies that are being targeted at women now. They involve more "romance" then ordinary porn. I wouldn't have been interested in that though when I was into porn. I wanted to get to it already. But, I can see how that will be a gateway for women to get into porn and it will escalate from there to harder stuff, just as it does with the men.
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raisinbran
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Post by raisinbran on Nov 30, 2007 2:59:31 GMT -5
Amazing, CD.
I am a 19 yr-old male PA, and I have always subscribed to the overt belief that men are more sexual, and women are more innocent in general.
I am single right now, so I never had a real glimpse into female mind (like in a marriage). For some reason, growing up, I always assumed men are more sinful (sexually, morally, etc.) than women. As of late, I have come to grow suspicious that this is wrong.
But now you've shifted my paradigm of the world. Men and women truly are equal in every sense of the word. Thank you very much for revealing that.
What amazes me, and is getting confirmed to me over and over, is that nothing in this world is what it seems to be.
Has anyone else noticed the fast-degradation of this world, in even just the past five-ten years? More porn, more sex, less shame, more deception, and just a withering of values in general?
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Post by amaninfull on Nov 30, 2007 16:29:30 GMT -5
Welcome to Rome.
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Post by completelydone on Nov 30, 2007 19:45:35 GMT -5
lol I don't think that's too far from the truth. As sexual morals go, so does basic goodness I think. When love is replaced with lust, everything erodes really.
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raisinbran
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Post by raisinbran on Nov 30, 2007 19:50:02 GMT -5
Have you ever wondered if trend can reverse at all? I seriously doubt it can on it's own. It's gonna take something big and crazy (all internet shuts down!) for a change for the better IMO.
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Post by completelydone on Nov 30, 2007 20:02:56 GMT -5
Have you ever wondered if trend can reverse at all? I seriously doubt it can on it's own. It's gonna take something big and crazy (all internet shuts down!) for a change for the better IMO. I think it can be reversed, but it would take a lot of people working separately, and together, to make that change. However, probably the most effective change would be if people would insist that their local and state governments enforce the obscenity laws. For you see, with those laws, porn is NOT protected under "free speech". But here's the deal, the general public controls what is to be considered obscene, and what is not. The way the obscenity laws are written, if there aren't complaints, then it's acceptable.......whether that's adult shops, strip joints, or what have you. If there is a big enough outcry, the laws will be upheld and enforced. What I would like to see happen is for all porn web sites to be on a separate www. than non-smut. I would like for it to have to be a special subscription, or a pay-on-demand kind of thing. That way not so many people would have access to it, or accidentally stumble across it. Ultimately, I'd like to see it illegalized because it is abusive, sexist, and bigoted toward women and children. If any other minority were being portrayed in such a way as porn does women and children, there would be a huge public outcry to stop the hate. Yet, that's what porn is- hate, abuse, degradation. Porn also does not profit anyone, but the producers. It hurts the actors, users, and families that are effected by it. But, it goes beyond that to what I said earlier, it breaks down basic goodness and love in society.
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Post by amaninfull on Dec 3, 2007 13:58:51 GMT -5
Porn, like gambling, prostitution, drugs (legal and illegal), cigarettes, and alcohol, is a vice. There are virtually no positive consequences of indulging. Yet they are devilishly difficult to eradicate altogether. Some portion of the population will seemingly indulge no matter what, and there will be conscience-less purveyors to satisfy the market.
Yet we've shown the ability, as a society, to manage some of these vices, to limit the amount of damage they do, to keep them largely away from children, and largely out of sight of those who don't want to be involved with them. We limit access to them. But, with the Internet, porn is all around, easy to find, hard to get away from. When a vice runs unchecked like this, the damage it does is vast.
We need to find effective ways, as a society, to limit access to porn. One of the things that has preceded social regulation of other vices has been a rise in their visibility because of the damage they do. That's certainly true of cigarettes and alcohol. Right now the damage that porn does is simply not seen or acknowledged on a mass level. I believe that's the first step: raising public consciousness of the damage that it does.
That's where I will start, and I urge you to do the same.
AMIF
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Post by completelydone on Dec 3, 2007 16:17:18 GMT -5
Very good points, AMIF. I agree.
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Post by completelydone on Dec 15, 2007 9:33:21 GMT -5
bumped for new female PA's.
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Post by realthing on Dec 16, 2007 2:18:26 GMT -5
like most here p has entered it's ugly head in my life via my h's use of it, albeit my personal circumstances are individual to me. however, all of a sudden my awareness of it has shot through the roof - continually spinning round in my head. what i wanted to say though is just to reiterate a shocking example of how this is entering the life of children. as my h thought he would tell my 12 yr old daughter the reason we split up was because i found his p ( that's another story) it has kind of opened up another line of communication between me and my daughter about the issues of p (even although i had previously endeavored to keep her away from the whole issue of p in my marriage). anyway we were talking about it the other night and she was telling me how all the boys in school all have p downloaded on their mobile phones (i know my h's nephew also has this) - and it is seen as totally normal and acceptable. she even said that they seen a couple of boys viewing gay p on the computers. according to her it is everywhere in school - and even given the room for exaggeration on her part - still pretty worrying. but what is really shocking also i think is the counter effect this seems to be having on the girls in the school. my daughter says that mostly all girls in s3 (ages 13-14)and many of the girls in s2 (including some of her close friends - this is ages 12-13 are giving oral sex to the boys in the school. now like i say her assertions on the numbers are no doubt exaggerated somewhat, but i also know from the things she was saying that it is nonetheless rife. she said that one of her friends had given 2 twin brothers oral sex on the same night (as well as naming other boys this girl had told her she had given oral sex to). she said that one of the boys in her class had actually asked her when she was going to start giving it (thankfully she finds that prospect totally disgusting). added to this she said lots of girls have their web cams set up to msn and have been videoing themselves naked for the viewing of guys in the class and also have been 'poking' themselves on camera(as well as letting the boys do this to them. (said also that the guys wereposting the girl's msn addressess on p sites). i have no doubt that the proliferation of p within society has directly contributed to this.
i know when i was at school that some girls were sexually active - but it was really a small minority of girls, and in retrospects some of those girls had been subjected to sexual abuse. however, it was still very much frowned upon even among the kids - who put these girls down as slut/tarts wotever (not agreeing with this attitude but just pointing out that it was stigmatized). now it seems that there is little stigma at all attached and the fact that girls are actually admitting to doing stuff like this just points to it's increased normalization. as adults and parents we are always being told about the crisis increasing teen pregnancies - the outward sign/result of the increase in teen sexual activity - but what my daughter told me was the most graphic and shocking portrayal of this that i have had (still don't know what if anything i should do about this). we are certainly in a political climate now where it is recognized that sex education in school has to be readdressed - i wonder if education about p will be included (i doubt it) but when you think about it's correlation with kid's sexuality it certainly should be. since all this i am now thinking that i need to approach it with my kids in the same way as i would with alcohol and drugs??
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Post by completelydone on Dec 17, 2007 16:03:00 GMT -5
realthing,
It is all shocking isn't it? I'm not yet 20 years out of High School and it is far worse now then it was then. I didn't realize how bad until both my daughters, separately but close to the same time, began to complain to me about he sexual harassment that goes on at school. One daughter was entering Junior High at the time and the other was a sophomore in High school. Both of them complained of being groped, gawked at, verbally harassed by boys in the school. (I also got this growing up and hated school because of it, but it seems to have risen to a whole new level.) They both also told me that the boys would actually ask them to go home after school and (expletive) them. These are not their boyfriends either, but just boys they knew. If a boy would have been that disrespectful to me in school they would have had my fist down their throat before they finished their words!!! They boys also wanted them to go home and watch porn with them before having sex. But, more shocking than that is the fact that both of my daughters complained of very strong peer pressure from their female friends (as well as the boys) to watch porn together and have orgies. Thankfully, my girls never did those things, but only because I'm a watchful, caring parent. I don't allow them to go to people's houses where I don't know the parents and environment. Since then I've taken all my children out of the public school system. It seems even my son (who was in 1st grade at the time) was being subjected to smut and sexual talk, acts on the school bus. My daughters tried to protect him from it once they realized some older boys thought they were being cool to try to show my son things no one needs to view. They were also trying to place chauvinistic, perverted views of sex and women in his head through things they said to him.
Public schools in my opinion are no longer a safe place for children physically, sexually, morally, or in any way. If it's not the teachers themselves trying to push liberal "sexual" views upon them, it's the kids. Not in my home! I'm teaching my children what I want them to learn about sex, life, faith, and politics. The rest of the world can go down the drain if they want but my kids are going to be raised into good, loving people.
The "porn generation" is what they have been labeled. So, when then, will the government start to enforce some sort of regulation on the net? When will father's be decent men who give their children a healthy view of life, sex, and women instead of cheating on their mothers (setting up the most disdain possible of women) with smut? When will the promise keepers actually keep the most important promise of their life- faithfulness to their wives? When will women in this country have a belly full and demand this abusive smut be made illegal? There is no right to abuse the other half of humanity through porn! Their is no right to perversion! Their is a right to live in a safe society as free as possible from perverts who would rape you and/or kill you if they could get by with it because of the crap they feed their minds on for days, weeks, months, years...............
I'm fed up with it!!! It's abuse! It's should be a crime, NOT the norm!
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Post by amaninfull on Dec 18, 2007 15:30:48 GMT -5
I'd urge a three-pronged activism: a) raising public consciousness of the dangers of porn through a pr campaign, b) class-action lawsuits against pornographers, and c) organize to influence public policy (legislation). I am dead serious.
This is the way tobacco and alcohol have become highly regulated. Cases were brought forth where serious damage had been done by the substance in question (cancer and emphysema with tobacco, auto accidents, etc. with alcohol). People mobilized. Eventually, public attitudes changed, followed by public policy. It can be done. It should be done. Let's do it.
AMIF
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