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Post by Mayberry on Oct 15, 2007 20:30:01 GMT -5
Bwawhahah! Thanks for that sputter of laughter, HML! I very much doubt *that* would deter rabbet! (goes laughing off the board)
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Post by Elphie WWOTW on Oct 15, 2007 20:45:09 GMT -5
They hide in pear trees, unfortunetly. They sure do- side by side on the treebranches with all the cute little...[trigger] GOATS!!!Images temporarily disabled by webmaster.i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/avatarforme/IMG_0162-goat-751871.jpg[/img][/trigger]
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Post by tootrue on Oct 15, 2007 21:24:28 GMT -5
I would like to suggest that any wild boar sausage be pictured only in cellophane and styrofoam packaging, that any goats posted on this thread now or in the future be shown wearing sunglasses and hats so as not to upset Those Who Fear Goats, and that for the benefit of all that no partridges in pear trees be pictured anywhere near photos of lords a leaping or ladies dancing.
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Post by Elphie WWOTW on Oct 15, 2007 22:08:33 GMT -5
Would a pic of David Cassidy or Shirley Jones in a pear tree be okay if it was next to a pic of the House of Lords on "Ladies Night Out"
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Post by smart1 on Oct 16, 2007 8:05:09 GMT -5
Impressive work JohnG. I wouldn't know how to do half the stuff you are doing. I agree with the rest about the joy of finding hidden treasures in an old house. The first time I cleaned out my garage I found a Chicago Sun-Times from 1959! We have also found business cards, matchbooks and other junk from the 1950's. Not ancient history but fun to find. The house looks magnificent. I prefer the construction photos. You must be very excited that they will be pouring concrete forms this weekend. Fantastic work. I can't wait until next week to see the pictures of the forms. Elphie - LOVED the picture of the goat!!
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Post by tootrue on Oct 16, 2007 8:23:48 GMT -5
Would a pic of David Cassidy or Shirley Jones in a pear tree be okay if it was next to a pic of the House of Lords on "Ladies Night Out" Hmm. This is a really tough one. My own thought on this question is that any photos of Shirley Jones and/or David Cassidy are potential triggers. What kind of triggers I am not sure. But certainly triggers, dangerous ones. Even if they are in a pear tree. But especially if they are pictured with Danny Bonoducci in a pear tree. Maybe this urgent topic should be a question that should be posed to Wes or one of the moderators. John, in making the columns, how is it that the wood doesn't stick to the cement?
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Post by eadreel on Oct 16, 2007 9:02:18 GMT -5
in making the columns, how is it that the wood doesn't stick to the cement?
Hmm, A Giant Can of Pam?
Love construction pics, and animal and plants. Heck I love the country and helped rebuild the 200 year old farm house my parents bought. The insulation is still newspaper everywhere but the kitchen. We tore that apart and rebuilt it first, the insulation in the kitchen (Original farm house) were wool, straw, newspapers, and rags.
Right now I love seeing how a European house is remodeled. I had always wondered as they don't really build with a lot of wood and dry wall. They do use bricks, cinderblocks, plaster, concrete, and roof with red clay tiles.
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Post by JohnG on Oct 16, 2007 12:15:31 GMT -5
TT, concrete does not stick to wood or steel. After removing the threaded rods that hold the form together I just have to tap on the plywood with a hammer and it comes loose.
I have decided to hold off on the sausage until it has been smoked. It has a few more days before it is done - then we can see the before, during, and after.
I put up the second to last column today and took down the second to last beam. Tomorrow I will put up the last column and Thursday I will take down the rest of the second floor (including the last beam):
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These guys look better since mom cleaned them up:
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Post by JohnG on Oct 18, 2007 15:37:51 GMT -5
Delivery yesterday of the steel and "bovedilla" (a kind of hollow block for the floor structure that gets hung inbetween concrete beams - also delivered yesterday). Today they delivered the "puntales" which are telescoping tubes that will support the "encofrado" which is a wooden structure to support the floor for 21 days after the concrete is poured over it. This will all become clearer as the process advances. Needless to say, it is quite differente than the methods used in the U.S.:
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The last pillar went up last night. It was the most difficult as I had to scale a wobbly ladder to pour the concrete and then stand up there to vibrate it. I was glad to be done:
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The crew started work today on the "encofrado." This structure (which will be supported by 100 of those tubes) will support the floor until the concrete has cured:
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You can see the column I put up yesterday:
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Post by LookingUp on Oct 18, 2007 15:51:29 GMT -5
Will the "bovedilla" become part of the permanent structure or are they temporary. I'm looking forward to seeing the process of putting a cement floor in thin air! Sounds very challenging.
What will the corrugated cement thingies that sits on top of the "bovedilla" on the truck be used for?
Is this a traditional floor in Spain?
Does the lamb have a name?
When does the grass and trees turn autumn colors?
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Post by JohnG on Oct 18, 2007 16:18:32 GMT -5
Will the "bovedilla" become part of the permanent structure or are they temporary. They are permanent. The floor will essentially be very thin hollow cinder blocks hung between the beams (those corrugated things on the truck are actually beams laying side by side - if you are referring to what I think you are - they are between the steel and the "bovedilla." Then there is steel mesh on top of that, and there is a lot of rebar between the columns - making larger beams "in situ." The concrete gets poured on - about 2 inches (except where the larger rebar runs - here it will be 12 inches thick), no more, and after 21 days it is all on solid piece and the structure below can be dismantled. Those are the pre-stressed steel reinforced concrete beams. This is the system that has been used for the past forty or so years in commercial and residential applications. It is very light relative to its strength. It also has good sound isolation characteristics. It is not a "correct" restoration strictly speaking but it will be as solid as any modern construction and the old beams and flooring will be recycled so the rustic charm will not be lost. She she is going on the table for the holidays (I have been told) I thought it prudent NOT to name her. If you choose to name her, be my guest. Any day now I think. The birch trees are turning already but the chestnuts have not. JohnG
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Post by LookingUp on Oct 19, 2007 10:45:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the info. I made a dog house once - didn't need any beams or concrete - the dog, King Knothead, was quite pleased anyway! I find it interesting how you can add a new floor "after the fact" - thanks for sharing.
LookingUp
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Post by Mayberry on Oct 19, 2007 14:58:41 GMT -5
Psssttt. Hey. JohnG. I don't know if you've noticed, but this is starting to look like a HOUSE! I anticipate the day when it will start looking like a HOME as well! Gotta run to the library and take Mr. Douglass back. Thanks for the rec. It was, indeed, a more-than-worthwhile read. J
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Post by JohnG on Oct 21, 2007 9:45:54 GMT -5
The second floor "forjado" or structure is more or less in place. The steel supplier shorted me 25 meters of steel reinforcement and so we have to wait till friday to finish the steel work and then on Saturday I decided to pay these same guys to pour, vibrate, and level the concrete floor. It is critical this be done right and so I am going to cough up another 600 euros. I have asked around and they are charging me a very low rate but they are very efficient and very professional. And from what I have learned observing and helping I think I can do the attic floor myself (with a helper). They also agreed that they will come and inspect my work on the next level to make sure I make no mistakes.
Continued work on the "encofrado" or support structure to hold the floor up until after the concrete has been poured and cured for 3 weeks:
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After the beams are laid across the encofrado, the "bovedilla" is laid between them. The concrete will be poured two inches over the top of the bovedilla and will fill the channels between them:
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The floor from below. This will later be plastered:
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The floor from above. On the right can be seen the edge of the well for the staircase:
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A view of the steel for one of the large beams that will be pourned in place:
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A week from today I will be able to walk on a new floor upstairs.
JohnG
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Post by renate on Oct 21, 2007 14:56:35 GMT -5
It looks awesome!! awesome, awesome, awesome It's amazing how much progress you've made. Keep up the great work!
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