Post by zerotolerance on Dec 7, 2007 13:11:40 GMT -5
I know we all have moments where we are jealous of the p women our men seem to prefer. But they aren't anything for us to be jealous about. When they say they don't think of them the same way they think of us, it's soo true. But that doesn't make it right. They aren't thinking of them, nor us, right. It used to be that men loved women in the correct way, then they started loving p, instead of women. Now they don't even know what love is. They have us in seperate compartments, but that's really taking half of what should be ours away from us. The end result is that they end up hating all women really and not feeling like men at all. We get a morsel of of less hate, but it doesn't rise to the level of love we deserve. Half or more of our intended love, or lust, or whatever feelings are tied up, out in the other compartments with the p.
One thing that has helped me is reading what they really think about those other girls. Well, it helps, but it can also hurt, because we know we are only inches away from them having those thoughts about us too. We already know their thoughts about us are "less than" they should be, or we wouldn't even be in these messes.
I'm about to post some of the things men, and/or men's magazines have to say about these girls. The way I figure it is if men are man enough to read it in men's magazines then seeing comments like this here shouldn't be anymore offensive to the many users here. right? I dunno, I know ya'll read worse in p though, and I'm about to quote what SOME men evidently really think about their fav p women.
WARNING EXPLICIT LANGUAGE TO FOLLOW
[trigger](Note: I was asked by a mod to edit this already, so I changed A$$ to ARSE or butt, AND T!Ts to breast, and all F words, to F or F-ing or (expletive) along with a few others. While I realize this content could be triggering to ALL or anyone, my specific point is about the language and the attitude of those who think of women in these terms. We are forced to see ourselves/women refered to in these ways, EVERY SINGLE DAY on TV, in movies, in songs, EVERYWHERE, and this language is esp prodominate among p users in p culture. So I'm quite sure any p user here, or SO, has heard, seen, read, and been called similar things, and had way worse similar thoughts directed at us. So if any one is offended, welcome to the club! I posted this specifically because as a woman, I AM OFFENDED TOO)
I checked out some hotmodel links on youtube.
these are exerpts from the messages left by the viewers.
****These are comments from one featuring SEMA models****
"they f-ing stupid.. kinda cute but w/e man they just meat pieces I dont even find that sexay"
"Girls of SEMen"
"I want to skull F them"
"I want to ARSE F them"
"Nice rims"
"they're all scummy"
"they got big faces eh.. not like the slim high class models"
"Are they on sale ? "
"there not hot."
"aaaaahahaha "pure hot models" my f-ing ARSE. they are not hot.
so f-ing true, (B)es in cali are much more fine than this "
"except for maybe one or two, they don't look that great to me. im probably crazy for even saying that but, whatever... i live in SoCal, we got better looking girls here. They would be Seattle 10, but only a California 7 or maybe 8. "
"the song sucked,the girls kick major BUTT. I've never wanted to be a cameraman so badly. you girls rock! "
"I can't wait until YouTube broadcasts full size videos and in HD. "
"I'm not sure I understand then. Cause this video just shows girls. So really, they're not selling cars, RVs, SUVs, but girls?"
"Well... it helps to have hot girls by your products. This will attract buyers to come to your booth to check out your products.. even though they're really checking out something else. lol "
"Its like sex I got explain it to you.....But well you either get it or you dont. It is the same as anythign else, Do you really think places like hOOters get people to go in because of the wings? "
"my dad went to this show. Got me a calender "
[glow=red,2,300]*****ISN'T that one the GROSSEST ONE OF ALL, BAD DAD*****[/glow]
**** these are comments from one feature NOPI models
"why the heck did this video stop where it did, keep that camera rolling damn it!!! "
"man ive seen losta bikini contests before and of course the girls are good looking.... but they just stood there with their ARSES facing the crowd the whole time.. i aint complaining but wow.... shoulda just called it the ARSE competetition! "
"wow give them a few dollars to stripe naked "
"wow those girls had....huge round BREAST and nice sweet ARSES like to do them! "
"i forgot how to speak for a second... "
"nice buttttttttttts i want to ride them i wonder if their any good "
"ohhhhhh baby if i was up there on stage id (RELEASE) on all them "
"god bless america eh???
love it! "
"btw.. that one in the turquoise bikini.. (RELIGIOUS BLASPHEMY..
i'd take her right now.. (i'm up and ready for it) "
"NOPI chicks are brainless (expletive)es! But GOD their hot! I want one... "
This is from Maxim Magazine... This is my current favorite because it really helps but it in perspective. Esp for those considering plastic surgery imo.
In a slide show about the worst plastic surgeries Jenna Jameson was # 2, and this is the caption
"Jenna Jameson
Remember when she used to be hot? Back when Jenna weighed more than 80 pounds and only had one boob job, we would´ve gladly been her 53,656th (expletive), if it meant we´d get one night alone with her. Now we wouldn´t even want to see her in a crowd during the middle of day. She´s scary!"
Tara Reid
Getting lipo when you´re already thin makes about as much sense as getting a botched boob job and becoming a drunk human condom. Oh wait, Tara´s done all three of those? Atta girl![/trigger]
My point is that when we think they care about these women, we are mistaken. It doesn't matter how often, nor who, nor how many they use, they don't care about them one wit. If they did, then they wouldn't use them these ways, and they certianly would make the common terms of endearment they use B, C, S, nor WH. They are objectified! Dehumanized. And sometimes they know they think of those girls these ways, while we're thinking they love them more than us, but they can't explain that this way. They try, but in doing so, they just show us how far away from reality they are, that they think using anyone, or thinking of anyone these ways is acceptiable. They put these girls on pedestals, specifically to knock em off later. Oh they enjoy ripping out their souls first, by getting em to parade around naked, and encouraging their plastic surgeries. Evidently it's SPORT, to see women destroyed for their viewing pleasure, like watching boxing or something. And even though my h clearly has special p g/f's he don't really care about them whatsoever. He's not loyal to them, nor loving. He's a sports freak too, and so has fav teams he follows. But he's merely a fair weather fan. When he's fav team looses, he abandons them, until they are winning again, then he acts like he was there all along. It's the same with the p g/f's, he's a fair weather p friend only. As soon as another arousing image comes along, he chases her instead of remaining with his regulars. I'm starting the view the regular 4 g/f (one each blonde/brown,black/red headed), as the other wives like me. lol!!! He has 5 wifes basically. It looks almost like he feels like he has to spread himself around. I'm out now, fortunately, so that leaves 4 wifes, so once a week he hits it with all four, and then on the other days, he looks for new ones. It's personal in one way, but in another way it's not personal at all. We take it personally, and it is because it's taking away from what we should be getting. But sometimes we take it too personally, and we make it against the girls, but they are victims just like us. They are just other wives, struggling to fit into our objectified prision lifes. We are so much better off than most of them, in ways we can't readily see. But they are nothing that we need to be jealous of. They are only a small part of the problem. The big problem is with whomever thinks that is ever okay to so much as even view a single person thru such a lens. Yeah, we all have a natural attraction to each other, but that's not what this is. This is objectification, sexual objectification of an entire gender. And it doesn't stay in the p like they to pretend. It lessons their capacity overall. And that's what hurts us, we know we aren't being loved in the right capacity. We aren't being respected, nor heard. We're being poo-pooed, and it seems like it is in favor of paper dolls, or p, and it is, but it's not too. Those girls are being poo-pooed too, in some of the same ways as us, and sometimes it's in different ways. But whether they are mb over them, or lying to us, it's all just poo-poo that doesn't belong anywhere. Every time they mb over one of them, it is no different than when my h mb over me. He used me like p, and he uses p like it's his wife. We aren't really interchangable with p, but we are interchanged with it, and we are seperated from it too. It just depends on which factor you'
re looking at. All our souls are being damaged. And all womankind is loosing out. All mankind is loosing out too.
We don't want them thinking of us like they do those women anyway. Even though we often think we sort of do. We don't want to be used, like they use those women either. We know it grow soul holes to allow our sexuality or bodies to be used. We may call not it soul holes, but we surely feel the pain in our hearts and souls, long before we can name it. And we don't want what we're getting either, because we know it is "not enough", not in the right proportions, and that it doesn't feel right, nor we do we think it is right. That's why we get soo confused and conflicted. But we learn that the problem is really that NONE OF IT IS RIGHT! Their whole view of women and our sexuality is WRONG, across the board. It's effects their view of them (wh) and their view of us too. Every woman is being stuff somewhere on the scale of objectification. Every one is repeatedly being shoved into these little boxes of stupidity that we never belonged in to begin with. We have every right to be upset until they get it right. But it literally requires changing everything they/we think we know. The objectification factor is soo ingrained. The very idea that the worse thing a guy can be called is a "girl" starts early. The idea that girls are worthless gets shoved into us ALL. Then as girls our sense of worth gets tied up in other things, like our appearance, or having a man, or whatever. But that's not where our sense of worth comes from. It comes from within us, we just got to tap into it.
One thing that has helped me is reading what they really think about those other girls. Well, it helps, but it can also hurt, because we know we are only inches away from them having those thoughts about us too. We already know their thoughts about us are "less than" they should be, or we wouldn't even be in these messes.
I'm about to post some of the things men, and/or men's magazines have to say about these girls. The way I figure it is if men are man enough to read it in men's magazines then seeing comments like this here shouldn't be anymore offensive to the many users here. right? I dunno, I know ya'll read worse in p though, and I'm about to quote what SOME men evidently really think about their fav p women.
WARNING EXPLICIT LANGUAGE TO FOLLOW
[trigger](Note: I was asked by a mod to edit this already, so I changed A$$ to ARSE or butt, AND T!Ts to breast, and all F words, to F or F-ing or (expletive) along with a few others. While I realize this content could be triggering to ALL or anyone, my specific point is about the language and the attitude of those who think of women in these terms. We are forced to see ourselves/women refered to in these ways, EVERY SINGLE DAY on TV, in movies, in songs, EVERYWHERE, and this language is esp prodominate among p users in p culture. So I'm quite sure any p user here, or SO, has heard, seen, read, and been called similar things, and had way worse similar thoughts directed at us. So if any one is offended, welcome to the club! I posted this specifically because as a woman, I AM OFFENDED TOO)
I checked out some hotmodel links on youtube.
these are exerpts from the messages left by the viewers.
****These are comments from one featuring SEMA models****
"they f-ing stupid.. kinda cute but w/e man they just meat pieces I dont even find that sexay"
"Girls of SEMen"
"I want to skull F them"
"I want to ARSE F them"
"Nice rims"
"they're all scummy"
"they got big faces eh.. not like the slim high class models"
"Are they on sale ? "
"there not hot."
"aaaaahahaha "pure hot models" my f-ing ARSE. they are not hot.
so f-ing true, (B)es in cali are much more fine than this "
"except for maybe one or two, they don't look that great to me. im probably crazy for even saying that but, whatever... i live in SoCal, we got better looking girls here. They would be Seattle 10, but only a California 7 or maybe 8. "
"the song sucked,the girls kick major BUTT. I've never wanted to be a cameraman so badly. you girls rock! "
"I can't wait until YouTube broadcasts full size videos and in HD. "
"I'm not sure I understand then. Cause this video just shows girls. So really, they're not selling cars, RVs, SUVs, but girls?"
"Well... it helps to have hot girls by your products. This will attract buyers to come to your booth to check out your products.. even though they're really checking out something else. lol "
"Its like sex I got explain it to you.....But well you either get it or you dont. It is the same as anythign else, Do you really think places like hOOters get people to go in because of the wings? "
"my dad went to this show. Got me a calender "
[glow=red,2,300]*****ISN'T that one the GROSSEST ONE OF ALL, BAD DAD*****[/glow]
**** these are comments from one feature NOPI models
"why the heck did this video stop where it did, keep that camera rolling damn it!!! "
"man ive seen losta bikini contests before and of course the girls are good looking.... but they just stood there with their ARSES facing the crowd the whole time.. i aint complaining but wow.... shoulda just called it the ARSE competetition! "
"wow give them a few dollars to stripe naked "
"wow those girls had....huge round BREAST and nice sweet ARSES like to do them! "
"i forgot how to speak for a second... "
"nice buttttttttttts i want to ride them i wonder if their any good "
"ohhhhhh baby if i was up there on stage id (RELEASE) on all them "
"god bless america eh???
love it! "
"btw.. that one in the turquoise bikini.. (RELIGIOUS BLASPHEMY..
i'd take her right now.. (i'm up and ready for it) "
"NOPI chicks are brainless (expletive)es! But GOD their hot! I want one... "
This is from Maxim Magazine... This is my current favorite because it really helps but it in perspective. Esp for those considering plastic surgery imo.
In a slide show about the worst plastic surgeries Jenna Jameson was # 2, and this is the caption
"Jenna Jameson
Remember when she used to be hot? Back when Jenna weighed more than 80 pounds and only had one boob job, we would´ve gladly been her 53,656th (expletive), if it meant we´d get one night alone with her. Now we wouldn´t even want to see her in a crowd during the middle of day. She´s scary!"
Tara Reid
Getting lipo when you´re already thin makes about as much sense as getting a botched boob job and becoming a drunk human condom. Oh wait, Tara´s done all three of those? Atta girl![/trigger]
My point is that when we think they care about these women, we are mistaken. It doesn't matter how often, nor who, nor how many they use, they don't care about them one wit. If they did, then they wouldn't use them these ways, and they certianly would make the common terms of endearment they use B, C, S, nor WH. They are objectified! Dehumanized. And sometimes they know they think of those girls these ways, while we're thinking they love them more than us, but they can't explain that this way. They try, but in doing so, they just show us how far away from reality they are, that they think using anyone, or thinking of anyone these ways is acceptiable. They put these girls on pedestals, specifically to knock em off later. Oh they enjoy ripping out their souls first, by getting em to parade around naked, and encouraging their plastic surgeries. Evidently it's SPORT, to see women destroyed for their viewing pleasure, like watching boxing or something. And even though my h clearly has special p g/f's he don't really care about them whatsoever. He's not loyal to them, nor loving. He's a sports freak too, and so has fav teams he follows. But he's merely a fair weather fan. When he's fav team looses, he abandons them, until they are winning again, then he acts like he was there all along. It's the same with the p g/f's, he's a fair weather p friend only. As soon as another arousing image comes along, he chases her instead of remaining with his regulars. I'm starting the view the regular 4 g/f (one each blonde/brown,black/red headed), as the other wives like me. lol!!! He has 5 wifes basically. It looks almost like he feels like he has to spread himself around. I'm out now, fortunately, so that leaves 4 wifes, so once a week he hits it with all four, and then on the other days, he looks for new ones. It's personal in one way, but in another way it's not personal at all. We take it personally, and it is because it's taking away from what we should be getting. But sometimes we take it too personally, and we make it against the girls, but they are victims just like us. They are just other wives, struggling to fit into our objectified prision lifes. We are so much better off than most of them, in ways we can't readily see. But they are nothing that we need to be jealous of. They are only a small part of the problem. The big problem is with whomever thinks that is ever okay to so much as even view a single person thru such a lens. Yeah, we all have a natural attraction to each other, but that's not what this is. This is objectification, sexual objectification of an entire gender. And it doesn't stay in the p like they to pretend. It lessons their capacity overall. And that's what hurts us, we know we aren't being loved in the right capacity. We aren't being respected, nor heard. We're being poo-pooed, and it seems like it is in favor of paper dolls, or p, and it is, but it's not too. Those girls are being poo-pooed too, in some of the same ways as us, and sometimes it's in different ways. But whether they are mb over them, or lying to us, it's all just poo-poo that doesn't belong anywhere. Every time they mb over one of them, it is no different than when my h mb over me. He used me like p, and he uses p like it's his wife. We aren't really interchangable with p, but we are interchanged with it, and we are seperated from it too. It just depends on which factor you'
re looking at. All our souls are being damaged. And all womankind is loosing out. All mankind is loosing out too.
We don't want them thinking of us like they do those women anyway. Even though we often think we sort of do. We don't want to be used, like they use those women either. We know it grow soul holes to allow our sexuality or bodies to be used. We may call not it soul holes, but we surely feel the pain in our hearts and souls, long before we can name it. And we don't want what we're getting either, because we know it is "not enough", not in the right proportions, and that it doesn't feel right, nor we do we think it is right. That's why we get soo confused and conflicted. But we learn that the problem is really that NONE OF IT IS RIGHT! Their whole view of women and our sexuality is WRONG, across the board. It's effects their view of them (wh) and their view of us too. Every woman is being stuff somewhere on the scale of objectification. Every one is repeatedly being shoved into these little boxes of stupidity that we never belonged in to begin with. We have every right to be upset until they get it right. But it literally requires changing everything they/we think we know. The objectification factor is soo ingrained. The very idea that the worse thing a guy can be called is a "girl" starts early. The idea that girls are worthless gets shoved into us ALL. Then as girls our sense of worth gets tied up in other things, like our appearance, or having a man, or whatever. But that's not where our sense of worth comes from. It comes from within us, we just got to tap into it.