The myth of male sexuality

[hurtandlonely]

To SAs that read the Partners' Forum: Read this post at your own risk. Venting is strictly that--venting; and it doesn't entertain dissenting opinion. You've been warned.

Mother Phyllis

I have had enough.

Enough of the propaganda force-fed to all of us - the lie, the myth that male sexuality is its own entity. Uncontrollable, it must be assuaged at any cost! Look at the women forced to hide behind veils, forced to cover their faces, bodies and intellects in order to avoid arousing/intimidating any man who happens to glance in their direction.

Look at us, each one of us bound by our men and their NEEDS. Labeled either frigid or slutty. We are never allowed to simply be women - we must either be saints or whores. When we speak out for ourselves, we're considered (expletive)y and militant. When we keep quiet, we are trampelled on. In the meantime, the men are strutting around and allowing their hormones to control every aspect of their thought and behavior. Their sexuality is paramount; everything else is simply background noise. We are static, ladies - coming in loud and clear with a message they refuse to hear.

Sorry. It's been a tough day.

[everhopeful]

AMEN Sister! Wow, that was profound!

I so feel like static for him. I've said so in the past, that I have to yell and scream and pretty much have a fit in order for him to really SEE ME!!

I am not a THING, I am a person with feelings, valid ones, and I will not be ignored or shushed for his selfish "manly" needs any longer!!!

[ellen38]

yes, my H and I had a "conversation/heated discussion" at dinner about that.
I had seen an advertisement for eye glasses earlier, and all the men had clothes on, but the girl had bare shoulders (no clothes in view) and looking seductive with contact lenses no less! (as oppose to the intelligent looking male models with glasses). I am sick of it too!!!
The only thing my H had to say was "what if the model enjoys showing off her body?"
I believe at this point, there are few women that can make choices based on a variety of view points other than the objectifying male overbearance.
I just had to shake my head to end the conversation, otherwise I might have had an episode with a swinging frypan in his face.
ellen

[zerotolerance]

It must be in the air. I woke up this morning feeling exactly the same way. My thought was on the lie of "all men do it" and "they are just acting like men". Followed by NO!!! NO! NO! NO! They aren't acting like men whatsoever. They are acting like animals, like pigs, and rabbits, and wild dogs, but NO P-NG is NOT acting like men whatsoever. There is absolutely NOTHING MANLY about it. P-ng is BARBARIC!

Oh and then that they DARE define women, blows my mind. That anyone thinks they can define another much less a whole freaking gender of people is ABSURD. What do they know about women? NOTHING!!!! Absolutely nothing. Only where our genitals are maybe, but not what to do with them. lol! Only what we look like mutilated, but not what real women really look like. Not the bodies God gave us, they think those are defective now, as if man can do it better than God. Or as if mutilation is pretty.

I'm with you! They can call me B, C, S, Wh, and judgmental, and frigid, and whatever other names their crappy p vocabulary teaches them. But you know what? That doesn't make it true. It doesnt make them right. It just make them bigger pheaded fools.

And they are such hypocrites. They celebrate girls sluttiness, then they dog em for it too. WTH??? Which one is it? They don't even know. It's just develop a love of HATE. Whether it's hate for us for doing p, or not doing enough p-nishness, or rejecting p, it's all the same HATE, and all the same objectification. Objectification is HATE! P is hate speach, and users become the biggest women haters of all. And they dare call it loving women. EWWW!!! That just go to show you they don't know what love is. P-ng is not loving women. It's hating us. Who would want to see teenage girls get banged by old men - HATERS! That's who. Objectifiers, that's who. Men, real men, they would be protecting those girls, not mb-ng over their abuse imo.

And want us to think we are treated so much better than women in other places. Like, we don't HAVE to wear burkas and we're allowed out in public. But American men treat women worse of all imo. We get taught we're free only to discover they don't know what freedom is because this is oppression, and sexism, but it is not freedom. They pimp our young women out all over the world, spreading this hate, and dare call that treating women good. There's nothing good about pimping out women. There is nothing good about sex trafficking, and theres NOTHING good about p in general. I challenge anyone to tell me ONE SINGLE GOOD THING ABOUT P. Show me ONE way that it ever helped a single soul. There's not one. There's not one participant in the making, nor the using, nor whose assoiciated with users or makers, whose soul is unharmed. NOT ONE imo. The very idea it is "harmless fun" is the BIGGEST lie of all. It's not harmless whatsoever, and the users who are blinded from the truth, cut off from their real sexuality, cut off from their souls, cut off from their emotions, using, and spewing trash, are the most affected of all.

But God is leading us out of it. Women will change the world someday if men don't destroy it first. I think we are all being shown these truths and brought together for a reason. And that reason is to fight this plaque. That reason is to spread the truth. People don't have to believe us, that's on them. But we can't hide behind their lies anymore either. They need nuturing but they rob us of that natural quality too. Or take advantage of it, and reject it, while really craving it, and feeding the craving nasty p, instead of love.

I've tried it man's way, and it failed me miserable, just like it is failing them, and all of you. I will be defining myself from now own. I am woman. Not p, not a sex toy, not an objection, not a tape recorder of "okay then", nor "yeah baby your so good", I'm not not enough, not a wh, not a b, not a c, not an sl, not my body parts. I am woman! I am a whole person with a heart, mind, body, AND SOUL. I am good. I am kind, and I am loving. I am beautiful like God made me. I am smart, and I am RIGHT about p. And I don't care how they define me otherwise they are WRONG, P DEAD WRONG!

And I'll be screaming this message from the rooftop and across the web until they bury me. They don't have to hear us, nor agree, nor validate the truth, in order for us to know we are right. God already decided what is right and what is wrong, and sorry guys, p made the list, and wayward women made the list and so did the men who use them. It's sinful. It's unloving. It's HATE!

I am climging in the big Laugh-In rocking chair and saying "And that's the truth" and I'm sticking my tounge out to making flactulate sounds now. lol!

[ellen38]

Men, real men, they would be protecting those girls, not mb-ng over their abuse

powerful statement ZT!

[completelydone]

Good men are not intimadated by the fact that women are equal.

Good men see women as human beings instead of c*m receptacles.

Good men don't feel entitled, nor titilated by the idea of how many women they COULD screw.

I'm sorry I missed this post, but I'm glad I found it now.

Vent on sisters!
CD

[truthorlie]

I agree with the posts above.

I am as angry and as bitter as any woman could ever be on this board.
I am also sad. Sad that things worked out for me the way they did. Sad that things worked out the way they did for my ex and my son - for all of us.

I am a woman. I want to be a happy woman. I want to be a happy woman who doesn't get angry, mad, sad, hateful, depressed, bitter, etc because the man in my life LUSTS AFTER PEOPLE OTHER THAN ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am also, as others on this board, sick to DEATH OF THIS (expletive)ING CRAP called "All Men Do It..."!!! ENOUGH ALREADY, MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To all men out there:
We (women) don't REALLY believe this. And even if every man in the world DID do it - IT'S STILL NOT OKAY!!!!!!!!!! GET IT? Stop the b*ll(expletive)! Get over it (Porn), get rid of it (lust), and get ON WITH LIFE (relationships with real people like spouses, children, family, friends, etc.)

To the ladies:

I am now single, 38 yrs old, attractive, nice, kind, compassionate, etc. And I have needs TOO (including sexual ones)! It's is idiotic that men think that women don't want sex as much as men do. Just plain dumb! What's the difference between men and women regarding sex? Women want it just as much as men do, but women aren't going to crumble and break down and go nuts when they don't get some every time they're ready for it! Women are not going to go out to the local bar and "just pick one" to get some! Women are not going to get pissed off when their husbands/bf's say they're too tired to have sex and then say "FU" to the husband/bf and go MB to pics or videos on an electronic box (computer)! Women don't feel the need to "mind rape" every hot guy that walks down the street. And women certainly don't need to congregate together at some bar or restaurant (called "Dicka on Display") so that they and their friends can degrade men because the waiters are walking around with their "packages" busting out of their scant clothing! We don't holler out degratory (expletive) like, (Whatever the equivalent to "Suck my (expletive), (expletive)" would be.)

It is TRULY a wonder why I am EVEN ATTRACTED TO MEN - mostly they just make me SICK these days! And we all feel this, from time to time - IT IS everywhere! Sometimes I REALLY do think - ALL MEN ARE PIG CRAP!

I think that I really wanted to fix my exH just so I wouldn't have to start dating again and trudge though all of the male sludge out there in the world. That I had done "my time" with him - that perhaps if he were "cured/fixed", then the "time served" would have been worth it! Then I could say, "Thank God" - one less perv, sludge/slimebucket/egocentric pig out there in the world. Fat chance.

I really wish that I could dump all of this hate off of my shoulders - but everytime I do, there's one more slimebucket (man) that comes along and "sexualizes" me and dumps it RIGHT BACK ONTO MY SHOULDERS! I am SICK TO DEATH OF THIS BURDEN THAT MALES ARE FORCING ONTO US WOMEN! Enough is enough!

[completelydone]

And women certainly don't need to congregate together at some bar or restaurant (called "Dicka on Display")

lol That's great! How ridiculous is it really to name a restaurant after breasts (Hooters)? If a woman started a restaurant called, "Dicka on Display", or "Pocket Rockets", or whatever, the public would have an absolute FIT!!! So WHY, WHY, WHY is it acceptable for such a nasty restaurant to exist? They need to be closed.

[zerotolerance]

Yea, I hear ya. Our sexuality, our feminity, our gender, our intellect, our loving emotional capcity, is being insulted, and ridiculled, disrepected, all over the place. We are objectified, sexualized, dehumanized, insulted, disrespected, neglected, and rejected. And if that wasn't bad enough, then they have the audiacity, to tell us we're "suppose to like it", or imply we're defective, or not enough, whenever we resist this utter stupidity. WTH??? It's mind blowing. They've taken it WAAAAAAAAAY to far already. And I'm tired of taking it for em. It's one thing when someone does something that only effects themselves, but this is effecting EVERYONE of us. It leaves a wake of distruction, in them, AND the rest of us, while they seemedly, blissfully, p along, in p blind ingnorance. They can't EVER get enough. Because shoving stuff/people into our soul holes don't fix it!!! No amount of the wrong thing every made anything right. Not learning from our mistakes is a choice. It' doesn't matter what every man on earth is doing, it doesn't excuse a single one of them. Most of the spew is just diverting crap anyway. I don't think they even believe half of what they say. Many times, they've never even thought about, and instead they just repeat the same crap they heard somewhere else, like p projectors. Anything that works on us the one they use, not anything with any merit. That's why it is soo crazy making. If they ever really stop to think about then even they admit the mentality is idiotic. People have hearts and souls, and minds, and ours are an intrinct part of our beings. Turning theirs off, or ruining theirs is one thing, but ruining mine, and a whole gender is quite another. When dead women are washing up everyday, and men are laughing about it, joking about it, acting like that B had it coming, etc... then it's gone WAAAAAAY to far. When young girls are kidnapped and manipulated into atrocious sexual acts, while they mb to it, it's gone to far. They aren't protecting us, nor the children, so we are going to have to do it. It's like they are all hypnotized isn't it? They act like anything spoken in common sense is foreign language. It so bizarre to observe too. Like when we are out of control, we know we are out of control, and that's one of the primary reason this crap is such a problem for us. But they are worse out of control, and don't even know it, much less think it's a problem. It's tied up with their false masculinity somehow. Where they think they aren't masculine unless they are imbibing. wtf? Since when does using p and women while mbng=masculinity? How dumb is that? There's nothing manly about it whatsoever. It's utter childishness. It may have it's place for a half a second, in puberty, but these guys aren't suppose to stay in puberty FOREVER! They made it MY business when they unceremonously dumped in my lap. And I'm making MY business to dump it right back into p/mb-ng laps from whince it comes. I didn't want it, I didn't bring it, I'm not using it, and I am not here for their visual entertainment, nor fantasy fodder, nor hate mirroring, nor whatevery other dysfunction they are operating under at any given moment. I a WO-MAN, now. And not some little mind full of man made mush girl anymore. I grew UP! And they can all grow up too. Otherwise we need to start building a GAINT BABY-MAN PLAY PEN to but them all in with some educational toys to play with, that can teach them which way UP is. I'm not dumbing myself down in order to be able to tolerate them any more. I don't need anymore stupidity in my life. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, and it was more than enough for decades now. If p made people healthy they'd all be healthy by now. BUT THEY ARE NOT! And that is a FACT, not fantasy. Our lives aren't FANTASY. We aren't here to be fantasy fodder for their fantasy lives. It's ridiculous!

[truthorlie]

I've been thinking about having some t-shirts made... actually I've been thinking about it for 2 years - my mother has disuaded me so far. But, I am thinking about it again. ZT, I think one of the first t-shirts that I will have printed up will say, "If Porn was healthy, we'd all be well-adjusted and walking around with big f'n smiles on our faces."

My personal favorite, "Porn destroys families..." on the front, and on the back, "just ask my son - he's on visitation with his father."

What T-shirts slogans could you ladies come up with?

[LookingUp]

truthorlie said:

I've been thinking about having some t-shirts made...

Here's some interesting t-shirts already made... (open at your own risk - some have naughty words)

www.oneangrygirl.net/order.html

www.cafepress.com/antiuniverse/874757

www.newmooncatalog.com/prodinfo.asp?number=C02-E02

www.northernsun.com/n/s/1294F.html?id=x88TH6uQ

www.northernsun.com/n/s/1718P.html

[completelydone]

What T-shirts slogans could you ladies come up with?

I've been thinking about getting some made for me to wear to work actually; like, "Quit staring" on the front and "I won't sleep with you" on the back. Or, "Mom says it's not polite to stare". Or, "Quit staring" on the front, and "I'm not here to entertain you" on the back. Or, "If you keep staring you'll burn your brain out." Or, "This is your brain" on front, "this is your brain on lust" on the back.

What do ya think?

[truthorlie]

CD,

Good ones! Anyone got more?

[zerotolerance]

All the ones coming to my mind are horribly vulgar. So I'm just gonna rant again.

I'm sooo sick of the comments regarding "need for release" that I'm gonna scream about it now. You see now, I have developed my OWN NEED for release. The need to release what I really think of this, THE LAMEST, of all excuses ever INVENTED for substaining a FALSE need to mb. This is a TOTALLY FALSE need, and therefore it's not a NEED at all. It is simply a WANT. How bad one wants it, really depends on what habits one has established, and not gender whatsoever. What a crock of crap! It's as if the very suggestion that a man should let a woman be his "enough" sexually, is scoffed out these days. And I don't care how compartmentalized their brains are, ALL compartmentalization is WRONG. I know it is necc if one is going to continue to buy into the lies being spewed about human sexuality. But stop trying dumb me down. It is insulting to my intellegence. And it is particular insulting to imply that a 'man's "need" for FAKO 1/2 arse release", is more important than my need as a woman to feel, loved, appreciated, respected and NOT a substitute. I don't want no more men who NEED thier hands, and defend it while rejecting the very thing they really need. IE OUR LOVE. We aren't just "sexual" beings. Feeding only one's sex drive is like eating only tomatoes. It doesn't matter how many ways you watch other people doing it, to the mb-r it's just eating rotton tomatoes, over, and over, and over. We aren't "just" sexual beings. We are emotional, spiritual, physical, AND sexual beings. And they can pretend that all that focus on their own genitialia doesn't take anything away from themselves, nor, women all they want to insist in such stupidity. I'm hear to loudly proclaim that it DANG sure does TAKE A LOT AWAY FROM ME! How much more minimizing do they think a comment can get than this I "need" to mb. wtf?
What you need..... Is to spend sometime investing in developing some other areas of your personality besides masterwanker.
What you need.... Is to recognize the very idea that mb is a NEED at all is ludicrious. It's a WANT! IT's a HABIT! IT's a cumplusion, and/or it's an addiction. But it is not a NEED anymore than the false need to expose oneself in public.
What you need... Is to recognize that you are more than your false sense of sexuality.
What you need... Is to recognize this attitude is affecting and hindering your relationship
What you need is to recognize that THIS IS PURE SELFISHNESS. And anyone who NEEDS to mb, needs to stay single and just mb, because it is CRUEL to imply, or EVER suggest that MAN can substitute sex with his hand. That is arrogant objectification of his PART, and his HAND and HIMSELF, and HIS s/o.
What you need is to accept that fact that you can't get what you really need while alone with hand, with p or not. You can tell yourself it's your NEED, and it's being satisfied, but I'm telling you that is DENIAL. It denys the fact that you more than a mere sexual being. It denys the fact that emotional touch matters, that the loving touch OF ANOTHER PERSON matters, that our spirituallity MATTERS, and that YOUR WIFE OR S/O and her fragile sense of safety, MATTERS!!!!
You need to get a more mature attitude about the role mb was meant to play, if any, instead of the immature childish, pubescent, ALL IMPORTANT role you place it in.
You need to learn that being a mastermasturbator doesn't make one a MAN, it keeps you a BOY!
You need to learn that denying you have other needs that are being SEVERELY NEGLECTED is hurting YOU, and your family.
You need to learn that what you think, and what is reality, isn't the same thing, if you think mb can't hurt you. Well, my h thought that too! He still wanks away thinking that, but I don't believe. I'm more convinced than ever that p/mb rob him of his very existence except insofar as he serves himself more damage daily.
You need to relize that women need to be spoken to in loving ways, with kindness, gentleness, and tenderness, and have our opinions heard, and HONORED, or you need to move on. If you need your hand more than you need to make your wife happy, DIVORCE HER!!! It's the lessor of the two evils, ANY DAY
imo.
You need to learn that a false need to mb, doesn't mandate a need to lie about it. Grown men don't need to lie, they need to tell the truth, and if the truth is you need to mb, then thruth is you have a problem. I'm not saying we don't ALL get Hrny, but that alone doesn't justify a FALSE NEED, it just means we WANT to.
And if scratched everytime I got sexual urge, then I would be a habitual mbtr too. The more the get, the more you want, the more you loose.
You need to realize you are loosing out on far more than the lame arse reward you think you are getting. It's not even the chemical high of a loving sexual encounter. It's not even a tiny fraction of it. But you wouldn't know that, becasue as long as you've been suplimenting with mb, you've never been able to cultivate a loving sexual relationship.

[truthorlie]

AMEN! and Ditto!!!!!!!