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Post by unico on Dec 8, 2007 17:12:51 GMT -5
none the wiser? pass on by in the knowledge that audiophiles have music on their minds.
otherwise, place your vote
Warmth or Slam?
name your preference
Mr Hybrid
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Post by capillarian on Dec 9, 2007 11:58:23 GMT -5
I suppose I could be termed a music-phile but not an audiophile. Care to explain what the real difference is between tubes/transistors? I personally haven't a clue - I just know my amp has tubes.
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Post by breakingfree on Dec 9, 2007 18:54:21 GMT -5
I prefer to listen to my Twisted Sister on tubes not transistors but can't afford the stuff which now that it is really old technology has become very expensive technology. Plus, my dam* hearing is going and I'm not sure I could tell the diff any more.
bf
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Post by unico on Dec 9, 2007 19:08:40 GMT -5
Cap - If you want to play your music loud, use trannies; if you appreciate acoustic music use valves. Valves (tubes) convey a warmth that is especially noticeable in female vocals. A bit of Ella Fitzgerald thru a tube amp conveys an almost 'liquid' quality to the vocals.
BF - I share your concerns re expense of tubes. That's why I settled on a Hybrid amp (valve preamp/mosfet power amp. I get the warmth of valves for a fraction of the cost of an all tube amp (just two ECC82 valves - they can be obtained for a reasonable price)
Unico
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Post by longhair19 on Dec 10, 2007 8:38:29 GMT -5
I play my guitar through a Fender Blues Deluxe RI...so I gotta go with tube!
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Post by Curious Voyager on Dec 10, 2007 9:27:36 GMT -5
Within the normal hearing range of humans only the tee tiniest of people would be able to detect any difference at all. I used to teach this stuff, I even had a slide rule in the day.
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Post by ethanm on Dec 10, 2007 10:07:33 GMT -5
I miss my Carver mono's on my Dahquist DQ-10s, Made David Byrne sound like he was wearing that big suit right in your living room. I like tubes, but I can't tell much difference between them and a good class D MosFet unit, and I prefer LOUD, so I'm going to have to go with transistorized audio.
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Post by breakingfree on Dec 10, 2007 10:12:07 GMT -5
Still have mine, a very bright yellow Pickett, original case, with my name and 8th grade science class section number on it.
BTW, Found this on Wikipedia about prehensile thumbs Does this mean you could calculate with hands and feet?
bf
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Post by 1dayatatime on Dec 10, 2007 16:08:36 GMT -5
Not enough information. There are applications where each has advantages.
I wonder how many know of the common household appliance that still has a tube in it? Here's a hint, your getting warmer.
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Post by unico on Dec 10, 2007 17:37:01 GMT -5
BS - LOL, Man, watch that dirt swirl
CV - I feel on safe ground with this argument, so here goes - I went thru a phase of obsessively changing my amp (somes transistor, sometimes tube) and I could tell the difference. I don't care if science tells me I can't tell the difference between tube and trannie; I trust my ears. I'm 6 foot tall so I hardly fit into the catagory of the 'tiniest of people'
The Mighty Micron
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Post by geoff on Dec 11, 2007 6:36:32 GMT -5
Tubes - for guitar amps at least. CV - you may be right for the conditions when both tubes and transistors are reproducing sound with lots of headroom to spare - there's no (appreciable) distortion and hence no difference in sound, but get to the point where distortion and compression of signal begins, and there is definitely a difference. As I recall, its all about tubes generating even order harmonics rather than odd order harmonics (a la transistors) - the even order harmonics sounding more "musical" than odd order ones. All I know is that a gold top Les Paul, a tube driven Marshall stack and a sound proof booth is a thing of beauty when you get your leg hairs vibrating. Take care, geoff
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Post by 1dayatatime on Dec 11, 2007 12:18:38 GMT -5
Common household appliance with a tube in it... It's a didgeridoo, isn't it? Come on, you can admit it. Almost every house has one by now, bought from one of those charity shops that stocks "native art" items at silly prices. Also, my vacuum cleaner has a tube on it. It's half transparent, so you can see the dirt when it's travelling. Nice guess. While a didgeridoo does have a tube in it, I think we are discussing the electronic type of tube. The answer is a microwave oven, which has a magnatron tube in it. Hence the hint about getting warmer.
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Post by geoff on Dec 11, 2007 16:25:35 GMT -5
My "old school" TV also has a picture tube.... and my cats think its warm enough.
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Post by breakingfree on Dec 11, 2007 16:39:08 GMT -5
My thinking cap has a bulb-although it appears it may have burned out. bf
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Post by somedood on Dec 11, 2007 17:27:16 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, have you every tried blindfolding yourself and having the amps swapped out to see if you could identify which was a transistor and which was a tube amp?
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